Dr. Hoang and Benoit began their discussion about refugee experiences. Dr. Hoang recalled her journey as a young refugee fleeing Vietnam by boat, not knowing how long the journey at sea would last. She remembered waking each morning hoping to see land on the horizon but only seeing water. They discussed the resilience required to survive each day with limited food and water on the boat. After arriving at an unknown location, Dr. Hoang noted refugees then focus on basic needs like learning the language and getting jobs or housing. Benoit asked Dr. Hoang about portrayals of refugees in the media. She responded that in moments of crisis, refugees prioritize only survival and safety with no concern for future quality of life. They discussed how resilience is demonstrated through surviving each challenge, whether at sea or in refugee camps with thousands of people. Dr. Hoang explained that reflection allows people to use past hardships to support others facing similar struggles, having compassion from shared experiences of suffering. Benoit asked how people can distinguish necessary escapism from avoidance, and Dr. Hoang emphasized cultivating self-compassion by acknowledging difficult emotions. Benoit talked to Dr. Hoang about a client who found comfort in making coffee during the grief of losing her mother. Finding familiar routines helped provide stability. Dr. Hoang discussed how pattern recognition allows one to find certainty in uncertain times. However, this is not always helpful. She recommended starting with small, sustainable self-care habits that don’t require much energy rather than large changes that may feel overwhelming. Their discussion turned to anchors and how everyone needs something to feel grounded. Dr. Hoang emphasized listening to understand what anchors work for each individual, rather than imposing one’s own views. She stressed the importance of being fully present with people to see beyond surface level achievements and understand their essence. True empowerment involves accepting people as they are without judgment. Benoit asked Dr. Hoang about her own experiences as a refugee. She recalled difficult times, like wearing slippers to school accidentally, but framed these memories positively by focusing on who supported her and what she learned. Dr. Hoang stressed reflecting on life experiences in a way that promotes growth rather than dwelling in negativity.
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